The Rectangle of Justice!

[Luke]

So I think it's time to start the build thread...

I recently purchased Andymans 55 gallon setup, but it will from here on out be called the 55
G of justice.

Its drilled with a glass holes overflow with two 1 inch overflows and two half inch returnss

It has a four bulb t5 retrofit and I added some led moonlights

I got the tank on Saturday and spent that time getting bulk heads and plumbing parts

Sunday I painted the back and the stand and hood

Monday I plumbed

Tuesday I started filling for a fresh water run through

Today I finished filling it, but I noticed some leaks on the bulk heads so I had to drain it and work on that... It f
Looked like one of them migh have been stripped lucky I hAd an extra one on hand.

I still need to get some more stuff but this is my work in progress.

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[Luke]

Pics!!


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[Tlalok]

NICE!!!!!!!! where did u go to get some of ur plumbing part???

[Luke]

Home depot and lfs


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[Luke]

Well it ran all last night with no leaks. I think I'll add salt tonight


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[Luke]

Im not used to the water sounds though


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[TheGreatAukSociety]

Rectangle of justice

[Luke]

Rectangle of justice

i think thats a winner.

[Luke]

okay so fresh water test passed... adding salt...

im still really nervous about leaks/floods. I'm just used to my tiny biocube with everything contained!

[Luke]

also im on the lookout for a skimmer now... anyone have a suggestion on a good brand? or anyone have one they want to sell?

[hebsway]

Luke, I would keep a lookout for a Vertex IN80 or IN100. I had the 80 on a 55 a while back and it was great..

[Luke]

thanks for the suggestion sonny!

[Luke]

http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/store/products/protein-skimmers/bubble-magus-protein-skimmer/bubble-magus-bm-nac3-protein-skimmer.html

or

http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/store/products/protein-skimmers/bubble-magus-protein-skimmer/bubble-magus-bm-nac3-5-cone-protein-skimmer.html


http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/store/in-80-vertex-protein-skimmer.html

http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/store/reef-octopus-4-pinwheel-in-sump-skimmer.html

these are all the ones im looking at, but i dont know the difference of anyone them tbh

[tbone74]

Luke, I would keep a lookout for a Vertex IN80 or IN100. I had the 80 on a 55 a while back and it was great..

+1 I'm running a Vertex in280 and could not be happier

[Narazbad]

I'm about to get a SWC Cone...

[Narazbad]

http://www.shop.reeffiltration.com/product.sc?productId=40&categoryId=2 for you...

or http://www.shop.reeffiltration.com/product.sc?productId=55&categoryId=2


I'm getting http://www.shop.reeffiltration.com/product.sc?productId=39&categoryId=2 with some modifications made to it.

[tbone74]

http://www.shop.reeffiltration.com/product.sc?productId=40&categoryId=2 for you...

or http://www.shop.reeffiltration.com/product.sc?productId=55&categoryId=2


I'm getting http://www.shop.reeffiltration.com/product.sc?productId=39&categoryId=2 with some modifications made to it.

WOW 700 lph sure is a jump up from the 200 lph of the BM and 400 lph of the vertex!

[Narazbad]

Yeah. And the price is very reasonable, as well.

[Tlalok]

I have the SWC 120, still dont know how good it is but i will soon ... LOL

[tomgl]

I have had the SWC Extreme Cone 160 on my 90 for 7 months. Great skimmer. I a video of it in the equipment section some time ago. I have the modified version coming next week. Moves 900 lapf Moving the original to the frag tank and the new one is going in the 90. Hers a link to the video http://vegasreefers.com/forums/showthread.php?975-New-Skimmer

[tomgl]

Also stay away from any skimmer running the Sicce pumps. I talked to Luke at Reef Filtration and he pulled all the skimmer that sold with that pump from his site. I guess it's hit or miss if the pump will fire when you repower it.

[TheGreatAukSociety]

That was the hot pump of a year ago on the interweb. I have an old one the doesn't restart.

[tomgl]

I'm glad I went with the attman pump. The SWC was the hot new skimmer at the time. I could not find one. Lucky me.

[Luke]

came home to a wet floor and the back pane cracked all the way across... going to try to find a nother 55 tomorrow... anyone with the tools want to help me drill a tank?

[TheGreatAukSociety]

Yikes...

[Luke]

i have a custom advanced accrylics all in one nano for trade if anyone wants to help me with the drilling. looks like this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/PICO-12X14X8-DESKTOP-ACRYLIC-AQUARIUM-6-GAL-/190405852914?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c5512bef2#ht_516wt_907

[tbone74]

I can help you on sunday but I only have a hole saw for a 2" bulkhead

[Luke]

thanks tbone i think i need 1/2 inch and 1 inch... anyone know where i could buy them locally?

[hebsway]

Ace hardware on lone mountain and Decatur but there about $40 each.

[harriscli]

I still have the one inch bit from my glass holes order you can have

[Gyzpaz]

I have an old 55g you can have...

[Luke]

http://www.harborfreight.com/1-2-half-inch-and-1-inch-diamond-hole-saw-set-32400.html

would that work?

[Narazbad]

Yeah, basically one time use, though. Go slow with it as well.

[tbone74]

A 1" bulkhead needs a hole larger than 1" Sorry NO those will NOT work

[Justintaylor62]

Don't use those ones from Harbor Freight. I used them once and they suck. Didn't even finish one job. Very rough edges on the one it did go through.

[Aquatic Empires]

luke, you can borrow our bits. or you can bring the tank on by on monday or any day after and i can drill it for you. let me know.
Dennis

[tomgl]

Dennis should order him a new predrilled LeeMar. LOL

[Luke]

What time u open Dennis ?!! Sitting out front haha


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[tomgl]

They usually open at noon.

[Luke]

Man that's the life! Wish I could sleep in til 11 every day!!!haha dang I don't want to drive back out here!!!


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[tomgl]

Bankers hours.

[Luke]

Tank drilled!

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[TheGreatAukSociety]

Bravo!

[Luke]

Special thanks to Gian and Dennis! you guys are awesome! You really stepped up for me when i needed the help! That is why this club is amazing! People are always willing to help a fellow reefer out!

[Aquatic Empires]

glad that i could and i showed up right before you left! The reefing gods have answered your prayers. lol
so hows was your experience drilling the tank?

[Luke]

the drilling went really well. not nearly as hard as i expected. just kept the hose on it and went slow. we drilled two 1 inch holes for the overflow, and two 1/2 inch holes for the return.

It was a pretty productive day though. I got the tank drilled, the back painted, the plumbing done, the overflow siliconed...

i ordered some dry rock from reef cleaners today, and then also i noticed they sell sand (40 pounds for $30.00) with free shipping on both. So hopefully this next week ill be doing some aquascaping!

now i pretty much just need to make water... fun fun..

[Narazbad]

Yeah, I saw the sand on there the other night when I ordered stuff as well.

[Luke]

I saw it when I ordered my rock and it was cheaper than anywhere else I've seen.
I haven't read Any reviews on it but i figure if John is selling it then it must be good! He said it shipped on Friday so I'll post pics when I get it


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[Narazbad]

My order is shipping tomorrow. Hoping for a Tuesday delivery.

[Luke]

Rock doesnt ship over night :(


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[Luke]

It has water!!! .... Again..


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[TheGreatAukSociety]

Your in the flood club now too by the way.

[Luke]

Oh goodie....


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[wazupjames]

Isn't it mandatory to flood an area at least once just to be considered a reef tank owner.?.?

[Luke]

Think I'm good to go now! Haha


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[tomgl]

Mike is it not a tradition that a person who floods the floor has to buy dinner for all on Wednesday.

[Luke]

Man all these traditions!


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[TheGreatAukSociety]

It is, You now get access to the secret Flood Club forum, and a commemorative magic seashell.

[Narazbad]

The magic seashell is good for a one time purchase of food for all of the members of the Wednesday Night Food Club.


*magic seashell not actually worth any monetary value. All monetary value must be attributed by owner of said magic seashell. Terms and conditions may apply.

[tomgl]

The magic seashell is good for a one time purchase of food for all of the members of the Wednesday Night Food Club.


*magic seashell not actually worth any monetary value. All monetary value must be attributed by owner of said magic seashell. Terms and conditions may apply.

What?

[Narazbad]

Exactly.

[wazupjames]

Wow...

[Narazbad]

Thank you!

[Luke]

I think for wednesday dinner we could all eat spam .... You know since there is so much of it in this thread!


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[TheGreatAukSociety]

Magic seashell presentation is no laughing matter. Its a sacred rite. Wednesday nights magic seashell presentation will be followed by food and feats of strength.

[Luke]

Should I invite the wife?


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[TheGreatAukSociety]

All are welcome at MSP, (Magic Seashell Presentation).

[Narazbad]

Can I bow out of feats of strength? Unless they are beer drinking competitions, I don't want to shame anyone.

[Narazbad]

If it is a beer drinking competition, I can bring my Magic Stein of Truthtitude!

[Luke]

There better be a seashell presentation... I've invited my parents


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[Luke]

http://tapatalk.com/mu/18fd2b66-a3ff-ee0f.jpg


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[Luke]

Got water


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[kentlighting]

Got water


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Dear lord how many times is this thing gonna get water!


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[Tlalok]

are u supposed to fill the the tank before u put in the sand and rock???

[Luke]

are u supposed to fill the the tank before u put in the sand and rock???

Probably not, but that's how ive always done it... My rock and sand are being shipped right now I'll probably add it thursdayish.


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[tomgl]

are u supposed to fill the the tank before u put in the sand and rock???

It's always a good idea to leak test tanks before you add the stuff that should not be dry.

[Luke]

Glad I hadn't added any fish into the last tank before it cracked!


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[TheGreatAukSociety]

At least you get a magic seashell out of the experience.

[Luke]

At least you get a magic seashell out of the experience.

i hope that magic seashell has some amazing corals attatched to it.

[Luke]

got sand :) (my wife just text me and said it arrived) no rock though... wonder where it is?


im excited to see the sand from reef cleaners, i havent seen any reviews on it any where yet.

[Luke]

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[TheGreatAukSociety]

Sand travels faster than rocks..obviously.

[Luke]

Sandstorm? Check!

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[Gyzpaz]

Cool, I got a mini sand storm earlier....

[Tlalok]

just hope ur rock comes in good shape, mine had lots of broken pieces that i might glue together

[Narazbad]

Some of those broken pieces might be great, though.

[Luke]

Broken pieces are fine. A lot of people epoxy rocks together to get the look you want. You cAn also use zip ties. My plan is to do two columns One on each side so I'll need different sized pieces


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[wazupjames]

Sweetness, Sand in the tank is a good day.

[Narazbad]

I think my next tank I'm gonna try bare bottom...problem is, my next tank will likely be a bc29 :P

[Luke]

Oh and the sand turned out great it's pretty fine but not like sugar a little bigger it's already settled pretty good... I don't know how else to evaluate sand... Pretty much it's the best 40 pounds of sand for 30 dollars!


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[Luke]

Wife wouldnt let me go bare bottom... Bwahaha!!

She likes the sand.



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[Narazbad]

Well tell John you like it, too! That way he keeps it in stock! lol

[Luke]

Fuge light check!


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[Luke]

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[Luke]

Rock came in today


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[Luke]

wet floor again!!! This time it was the filter sock that backed up and was dumping the overflow water on my floor! I was getting ready for bed and I walked across the living room tile in the dark and I heard a splash... Same time I felt my foot get wet! I was like oh. Geez! Not again!!! Quickly checked for cracks and pipe leaks... Nothing... Opened up the cabnet and found water spewing out the top of the sock onto the euro brace of the sump onto my floor!!! I had topped off an hour earlier so I know where the water level was then compared to when I found the wet floor and it only lost about 2 gallons, but that makes a huge mess for only being 2 gallons! I'm just glad I caught it before I went to bed Instead of when I woke up !!!


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[Luke]

How should iclean the sock?


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[St8Gr3]

Ewwww that sucks! Kinda on subject... did u order anything besides rock and sand from John? I got an order of hermits/snails/etc. today from him and it was a mess... most everything was dead :(

[Luke]

that sucks! did you call him? he's usually REALLY good with customer service... i doubt he knew it was going to be 110 today! also are you sure they're dead? sometimes it takes a few days for those snails to open up. i ordered a custom clean up crew from him last summer for my biocube 14 and it was great. im going to order another one for my new 55 here soon... i need to catch my hermit crabs though im going to put them in the sump and the snails in the display.

[Luke]

just fyi from reefcleaners.org:

THE FINE PRINT:

If your pets do not make the trip, we offer an Alive Arrival Guarantee. To take advantage of the guarantee, notify us within a reasonable time for the item to recover from shipping stress, or to confirm if it didn't make the trip. Snails take some time to come around, don't feel like you have to rush it for a 2 hour deadline or something like that. Give them some time, and keep us posted is all. After we confirm your loss, you will receive a store credit for the purchase price of the claim. In some cases we will ship extras to makeup for deficiencies.

In order to qualify for our Alive Arrival Guarantee, you must be home at the time the package is delivered, or discuss with us prior to shipment that you will not be home and the package will be left somewhere. You cannot just leave packages lying about for days on end and expect a refund, they are perishable unfortunately.

[Luke]

were you home when the package came?

[St8Gr3]

I emailed hiim but haven't heard back yet (no phone#)... it was a smelly mess.. I mean u could smell death, a few hermits made it but 85% dead and the snails I got 6 out of 100 alive... but they are the dwarf ones so who knows! I believe it's the post office fault... I have rock on the way too 30lbs hope it's nice!

[Luke]

oh yuck! my rock took forever to get here.. it was like 6 days! let me know what he says about the cleanup crew though, cause im going to order soon, but i dont want the heat to kill everything :(

[St8Gr3]

Yeah I took the day off of work to make sure that I was! But the stupid post office put the box on the truck even though the box had 2 stickers on it saying "protect from heat" idiots! Okay I definitely will!

[kentlighting]

to clean filter socks, i put them in the washer on highest white spin cycle, Hot water. i add a small amount a bleach ( i dont know an exact amount as i guestamate as i pour. enough to disinfect but not so much that there is a heavy bleach smell when its done. if i smell alot of bleach ill run it again with out bleach. i throw them in the dryer on the high heat cotton, and viola clean socks. this is for the felt ones BTW

[Luke]

thanks will...ill make the wife do some laundry tomorrow :)

[kentlighting]

i dont know how many you own, i have 5 and do a load of them when i reach 4 dirty ones. i like to replace them weekly or earlier

[St8Gr3]

:O U men are all the same! Why can't u do the laundry???

[St8Gr3]

I was told, by John, that the post office would not refund because they had tried to deliver in the morning at 11:30am and supposedly left a notice. What I find really funny is there was no knock on my door and definitely no notice. The package, then was supposedly redelivered at 2pm, which is when I got it. It's just ridiculous... I wouldn't order anything until at least September if I were you. :(

[tomgl]

If your nervous about the bleach. Ayer you wash the socks soak them in a bucket with declor. I don't use filter socks any more because they back up to easy.

[seanathen]

What do you use for carbon holders Tom if not filter socks? I just keep my old Chemipur bags. I cut the zip tie, pour out the old media, rinse them out in the utility sink, fill em back up with fresh media and re-zip tie them...

[Luke]

What do you use for carbon holders Tom if not filter socks? I just keep my old Chemipur bags. I cut the zip tie, pour out the old media, rinse them out in the utility sink, fill em back up with fresh media and re-zip tie them...

thats pretty much how i had it planned...

[Narazbad]

Use a carbon reactor instead of bags.

[kentlighting]

Ta da no bags needed with reactors

These are the two little fishes phosban 150 reactors

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[kentlighting]

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Does this show up better?


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[tomgl]

Carbon reactor.

[Luke]

simple enough... how big of a pump you need for that?

[tomgl]

I just t'd off the return line before the check valve. Put in a 1/2" valve for control.

[Luke]

I just t'd off the return line before the check valve. Put in a 1/2" valve for control.

check valves are for babys.

[tomgl]

Saves me from paying child support.

[kentlighting]

I run a rio600 to power mine separate from the return


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[Luke]

Saves me from paying child support.

i just put one of my loclines pointed towards the top so it breaks the siphon if power goes out.. that should work right? i should probably test that tonight..

[Luke]

I run a rio600 to power mine separate from the return


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this is probably what ill do.

[tomgl]

A trick Mike taught me is it put a pin size hole in one of the lock line pieces that hits air fist.

[kentlighting]

A trick Mike taught me is it put a pin size hole in one of the lock line pieces that hits air fist.

I've also herd of people doing this


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[Luke]

my return is drilled about 3 inches down im not sure if my sump could accomodate that much water

[kentlighting]

Why are you apposed to check valves


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[Luke]

i read they fail right? from what i read its easier to just break the siphon

[TheGreatAukSociety]

I use a tiny hole, actually 2 in case one plugs up. The only have to be really small. No moving parts.
I tried a check valve on an earlier tank. It was already jammed after 3 months.

[Luke]

so i could:

A. point one of my loclines up towards the surface

or

B. drill a tiny hole into the locline (the one closest to the glass?)

???

[five O]

The tiny hole will work, I would get a bigger sump. You will never have to worry about an over flow if your system is designed right the first time. I'm out of town for a 5 days and the thought of an overflow has never crossed my mind. I could not have said that if I was running a check valve. I've tried them on previous systems, they all will fail over an extended priod of time with build up. All it take is on snail or something running through your system and getting the check valve flapper stuck open. & water is on the floor.

[Ke0kea]

What about a single check valve on the return? Seems the census here says stay away from them at all cost? Is it a salt corrosion issue? I've used them on ponds with no problem is why I ask.

[five O]

You should not need a single check valve on a reef system. The sump shoud be able to hold the displaced water if there is a lose of power. Check valve are fine for ponds. If your pond over flows, your grass get wet. If your reef floods, you need new carpet

[harriscli]

so i could:

A. point one of my loclines up towards the surface

or

B. drill a tiny hole into the locline (the one closest to the glass?)

???

The tiny hole has saved me now on two occasions. First was power outage due to some construction in the neighborhood and the second was my three year old discovering how to play with power strips. Two simulated power outages and no damage based on the drilled hole.

[tomgl]

I'm still of the opinion better safe than sorry. I have the holes in the lock line, and alarm in the sump to alert if the water gets to high, good size sump that should not overflow and the check valve. If the top off malfunctions the alarm will sound. I agree that check valves malfunction all too much. So I researched to find the best one.http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/store/1-george-fisher-wye-check-valve-swiss-made.html. It's clear so I can see into it and I can maintenance it since it can be opened up cleaned with out removing it from the plumbing. It's happy wife insurance.

[Luke]

So I was checking out my fuge tonight to see how my cheato is doing.... And I found my six line in there! So somehow he jumped the overflow, rode the pipes down, jumped out of the filter sock, jumped the baffle, and ended up chilling my fuge.... This guy is a beast! Think k imight ditch the filter sock now...


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[St8Gr3]

Okay so here's what ended up happening... the post office wouldn't refund any money and they are the one's that messed up. John refunded my money for the hermits that didn't make it. Did get the base rock today and it does look great! Lots of holes to stick those darn frag plugs in, LoL! So just wait for the cooler weather to order a cleanup crew or ask John if he can send a cool pack. Also make sure you ask him to select the overnight express mail with the option to hold at post office so you can pick it up and not have it on a hot truck all day!

Oh! ...and I'm glad you found your 6 line... that sneaky guy!

[tbone74]

I had a fire fish do the same, swam past the skimmer pump too and didn't get sucked in!

[JimmyC11]

My six line and a tile fish have both done the same

[seanathen]

Most check valves have springs inside of them. If you want a salt water safe "check valve", you can use a swing check valve. I just has a flapper inside of it. However, that flapper can and will get bio film on it and could leak in an emergency without proper maintenance. I'm always amazed at people who plumb up the tanks with valves and pumps and all sorts of things with hard plumbing and never use unions so it can be taken apart for maintainence....

[tomgl]

My check valve does not have a spring and can be disassembled in place for cleaning. This go to my favorite saying "you get what you pay for" there is a link in this thread somewhere.

[Luke]

we're way past check valves at this point...

update on the sixline wrasse: i went to take him out of the fuge, but he jumped into the next section of the sump, the bubble trap things, so there is literally no way of getting him out of there... im hoping he got bored in there and jumped into the return section when i get home tonight.

[Luke]

So I got home from work today... And I kept smelling something super nasty down stairs... So I took out the trash did the dishes no luck... Finally I checked the sump to see my skimmer pulling out super black crud! I emptied it on Wednesday so this nastiness was accumulated in 2 days . It was like Black! Ended up emptying it and smell went away! I'm going to have to remember to empty it more often!

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[Luke]

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[TheGreatAukSociety]

Sounds like you got yourself a rocking Skimmer what brand did You go with?

[St8Gr3]

Haha the octopus! So glad I just ordered one of those! Not looking forward to the "black crud" though... have to get the hubby to change it!

[tomgl]

My wife heads to the library when I go for the skimmer bowl. It you have roses they love the skim mate.

[Luke]

My wife heads to the library when I go for the skimmer bowl. It you have roses they love the skim mate.

Oh great idea!


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[St8Gr3]

Haha what would be the male equivalent of roses? Firecrackers? Alcohol? Cash?

[Luke]

We got flowers!


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[St8Gr3]

If I gave my hubby flowers for cleaning out the skimmer, I'd be sleeping on the curb LoL

[Luke]

If I gave my hubby flowers for cleaning out the skimmer, I'd be sleeping on the curb LoL

He meant the skimate is good for fertilizer


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[tomgl]

It can be used interchangeably but yes I meant for fertilizer.

[St8Gr3]

OoO :BangHead: In that case I'll get my mother-in-law over here to change it :o

[Luke]

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[St8Gr3]

Sweet looking clam u got there! :cool:

[Luke]

that was w/my iphone im posting a better one in a sec.... its ridiculous...

[Luke]

http://lukejustice.smugmug.com/Aquariums/fishies/i-vDd9dGd/0/L/stupidassgoby-1-of-1-L.jpg

okay so here's the deal... i have two clown fish which i would do anything to get them to host something... on the other hand i got this stupid goby thats decided he wants to perch on my clam EVERY DAY! the weird thing is if any other fish swims around the clam, the clam closes up.... but the clam will let the goby jump around all over him no problem. its ridiculous. my fishtank is broken. my clowns swim freely and my goby is hosting a clam.

[Luke]

and noone laugh at my algae. it happens to the best of us haha

[Narazbad]

This is why you have the magic seashell, Luke.

[Luke]

http://lukejustice.smugmug.com/Aquariums/fishies/i-ZV3ccXS/0/L/goby-L.jpg

[Luke]

This is why you have the magic seashell, Luke.

i got clear white mushrooms and a goby hosting a maxima... its a crazy house over here haha

[Luke]

now if only i could get a pic of my mated cinnamon clown and perc clown...

[bigronbo]

sweet clam. maybe one day i'll be able to afford one or actually win one in a raffle lol.

[St8Gr3]

When there's a buy one get one special I will share, LoL... Luke those are some awesome pictures! U gotta tell me what u use cause they look like the ones the sites post to sell stuff! Also here's this... :laughing9: @ ur algae because I have some too and darn is it fustrating! When u tell me how to take the pix I'll post some of my stuff! I got a goby from Lee a couple days ago and the freakin thing has made a fortress in the middle of the tank! Who needs a showstopping center piece when u have got a goby temple!

[TheGreatAukSociety]

The goby looks comfortable.

[TheGreatAukSociety]

Maybe they're good and finding comfy seats. mine liked this brain coral.

http://greatauksociety.com/aquarium/fish/gobyonbrain.JPG

[VegasFish]

Cool pics