lost a clown =(

[gdlyorchi]

I came home 2 days ago from work and didn't see my female clown anywhere, after searching for her for 5 minutes I found here on the floor, I'm that was awful, now I'm thinking on buying a B&W clown or a maroon or any other type of clown for my male ocerallis, how mane of you have mate different species of clowns and any advices?

[gdlyorchi]

many-----^^^ sorry for the bad spelling =S

[VegasFish]

I have heard of clowns of the same type pairing up such as black and whites with perculas but I wouldn't try pairing clowns with greater variation. I would be very, very surprised if a maroon didn't kill your ocellaris. Female maroons frequently kill males of their own species.

[VegasFish]

And sorry about your clown fish jumping out. I hate when that happens.

[TheGreatAukSociety]

I think you might want to get another kind of ocellaris.

I've read about some people breeding closely related percula and ocellaris. I think though... more likely, interspecies mixing of clownfish results in one species getting killed by the other.

[gdlyorchi]

thank for your help, I know is not an easy task to pair clowns of different species but I know it can be done, and I'm trying to get advices on how is the best method for both fish, if I cant get a good advice I just going to pair my ocerallis with another ocerallis,

[Narazbad]

Are you able to catch the other clown? Exposing both of them into a controlled environment might work

[St8Gr3]

Okay here is my expertise so let me offer my advice and what I did! Got two maroons (I know, I know) and I purchased a female first (about 2 inches) and had her in the tank for about 6 weeks... then I got one of the little breeder attachments u put on ur tank and got a smaller (we're talking about an inch) male clownfish. The idea of doing it was this... clownfishes will turn female if isolated or whichever one is larger turns. So anyways this way I know for sure I have a female. So back to what I did... you put the male in the breeder near the spot where the female hosts. After about about a week or so, she should stop trying to eat him. Then you can do an introduction... release the male but be sure to be right there just incase the female goes after him, so u can scoop him out to safety... after 2 attempts within a week apart, I got mine matched up... or you can just go to the paceast website they have a sale on ocellaris clown pairs @ $24.99 each pair! Killer deal!

Oh and btw... this method works with any type of clown, even different types!

[gdlyorchi]

thanks bro i'll do this method! I knew there is I way to have them together with out them beating the **** out one to another

[St8Gr3]

I'm a woman! :rolleyes: ...and you're welcome, it does work well and a cheap way to do it!

[TheGreatAukSociety]

I think to crossbreed, you actually need 4 fish. A pair of each type you wish to breed.

Here's a cool story
http://www.orafarm.com/blog/2011/06/17/mystery-clownfish/

[St8Gr3]

Hmmm... is he cross breeding or just looking to make a pair?

Also interesting too different types of clownfish have different behaviors... for example, take my maroons- the female will dart @ the male then suddenly stop and then the male comes up underneath the female and kisses her on the cheek! It's the coolest thing to see but only maroon clownfishes do it!

[tomgl]

All clowns are born male. When one is larger it triggers it to turn female and pick on the other so it does not grow and convert. When the female dies the next larger will start to turn. Your male may have already started the change. I would suggest you getting smaller replacements.

[St8Gr3]

@ Tom- So if he went and got a smaller clown to do the intro with ur saying his "male" would turn female? Because in that case he'd still be able to make the pair...

[tomgl]

Yes if his male has not already started the change. If he added a bigger already female with the clown he has now and it has turned female they will fight. Most likely until one dies.

[St8Gr3]

lol that's why I suggested matching with the smaller juvenile ;)

[gdlyorchi]

I'm a woman! :rolleyes: ...and you're welcome, it does work well and a cheap way to do it!

ups!!! sorry sis! lol your profile name don't help alot ;)

[gdlyorchi]

well I know that the male will change into a female if there is a presence of another smaller cown, I don't know if my male have started to change into a female, but I don't want to risk it and I'm getting a smaller fish, just in case, I'm thinking I'm getting either a black and white, or maybe a picaso I'm not sure, I'm open to any suggestion

[St8Gr3]

LoL what is wrong with my profile name? Your best bet is gonna be another ocellaris, Jerry had one matched with a black&white, pretty cool! But if you're gonna mix 'em up ur better off getting two juveniles and doing it that way.. U can always trade the one u have now in too. Really just takes a whole lot of patience and time, so if u got it, then I say go for it!

[gdlyorchi]

LoL what is wrong with my profile name? Your best bet is gonna be another ocellaris, Jerry had one matched with a black&white, pretty cool! But if you're gonna mix 'em up ur better off getting two juveniles and doing it that way.. U can always trade the one u have now in too. Really just takes a whole lot of patience and time, so if u got it, then I say go for it!

haha there is nothing wrong with your nick name, is just doesn't said if your a boy or girl lol

[gdlyorchi]

well I want another kind of clown because it will be cool, besides I really like my ocerallis but also I wan t to have a maroon because it's bright color or black and white for also the awesome color or picassos, and if I can have them to pair and live together would be awesome! and maybe in the future if everithng goes well breed some fish but that's a maybe, does anyone know how to breed picassos/snowflakes/maroon lightning/ or what kind of clowns are needed to breed any of this or are their a strange mutation on the nature?

[St8Gr3]

Did u read the link Mike posted?

[gdlyorchi]

nop, wher is that at?

[St8Gr3]

Here in ur post... http://www.orafarm.com/blog/2011/06/17/mystery-clownfish/

[wazupjames]

My advice to you would be to get a Picasso/snowflake/B&W rather than a maroon. It is difficult to pair a maroon with an Ocellaris Clownfish of any type because of the difference in temperment and size. While it is possible, I would just only recommend it to a seasoned clownfish breeder. Also, its easier to pair that combo with the Maroon being the female due to the adult size difference.

As far as your question on breeding - it is very time consuming requiring daily maintenance. If you are serious about it I would be more than happy to assist you. I also recommend the book clownfish by joyce wilkerson if you choose to learn more about breeding.

Maroon Lightning as far as I know is a natural phenomenon. Not breedable at this time.

[gdlyorchi]

I'll see if I can get that book, I'm trying to pair a ocerallis with more likely a B&W and maybe breed them but that would be on 2 years or more, if I can get enough knowledge and time to even try this, but for now my main goal is to pair clowns of deferent species

[TheGreatAukSociety]

I know the lightning clownfish came from the wild reefs on Papua New Guinea.
I can't remember if it was a different species or a variation.

[wazupjames]

Currently Matt Pederson is still trying to pair the lightning maroon with another maroon. It has not been successful yet.

[Narazbad]

Was wondering what happened to that breed attempt. I would highly recommend against Maroon clowns. They can be downright vicious, especially if you tend to have more docile fish in your tank. Stick with your smaller Percs and Oscalaris.

[St8Gr3]

Hey I have maroons that are not vicious! My female actually comes over and rides by my hand when I'm scrubbing my tank! :p

Here's the links:

Blue Zoo
http://www.bluezooaquatics.com/resources.asp?show=416

The Lightning Project
http://www.lightning-maroon-clownfish.com/

[tomgl]

I have one question. What are you planning to do if you actually successfully hatch the eggs and you sitting on a few thousand baby clowns? I sat though a lecture at RAP last year by a breeder and after he was done both Nick and I no longer cared to try this. Just the growing the food they need was enough to turn me off. I have had several egg layers over the years. It's a nutritional food source for the tank inhabitants.

[tomgl]

Hey I have maroons that are not vicious! My female actually comes over and rides by my hand when I'm scrubbing my tank! :p

Here's the links:

Blue Zoo
http://www.bluezooaquatics.com/resources.asp?show=416

The Lightning Project
http://www.lightning-maroon-clownfish.com/

They may when they mature. Search the net about clowns bitting humans. It's very common. Right Chris.

[coker98]

They may when they mature. Search the net about clowns bitting humans. It's very common. Right Chris.

My clarkii female bites me when I put my hand in the tank. She just started so I would think that it is a negative association because she didn't start doing it until after I rearranged the tank. I took all of the rock out and it really ****ed them off. So I'm pretty sure she sees my hand as a symbol of doom.

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[TheGreatAukSociety]

My ocellaris were friendly the first 3 years. Once they started laying eggs the female became a biter if I am close to the anemones.

[wazupjames]

I have all my clowns eat out of my hand. It seems to make the issue of clowns biting subside. My pair of B&W's and one of my pairs of Snowflakes were hardcore biters after they laid their first clutch. I began feeding them out of my hand and now the biting has turned into little nibbles.

[St8Gr3]

Yeah James mine does that too and she's been around for awhile, so guess we'll see what happens... the male wants nothing to do with me LoL

[Narazbad]

Mine started biting again after moving them into the smaller tank.

[tomgl]

Mine started biting again after moving them into the smaller tank.

She was a major bitter when in my tanks.

[St8Gr3]

Awwww she was all like da*n you! LoL

[bigronbo]

what is this with all the bitting? a good thump or two to the head and they learn its not nice to bite. my smaller one was attacking the baster as i cleaned my rocks after i tumped it a few times and chased it around the tank it decided it wasn't worth it I"M BIGGER AND MEANER. The big one would at best swish its tail at me when i mess with the frog spawn it uses as an aneneme but after being put in isolation and half starved a few times for attacking the little one it knows not to mess with me.

[wazupjames]

That may work for some clowns but just like people different clowns react differently. Some clowns back off while others are like Mike Tyson the more you hit them the more vicious they get until your clown jumps out of the water and takes your ear off. :p

[VegasFish]

What James said! That's our female clown. She's awful when we clean the tank. Won't bite any tools, just comes after me. Has even drawn blood. None of the other fish mess with her either.

[bigronbo]

the first time one draws blood it when i take it out pin its tail to a board and torch it with my bic:)

[tomgl]

The female Chris got from me used to come to the surface and spit water at me. Very lady like...

[VegasFish]

You apparently didn't read what James wrote Ron. Try that and she'll jump out of the tank and take your ear off. Plus, I just figure her vigor (and repeated fertile egg clutches) is a sign of my excellent tank husbandry!

[bigronbo]

lol i'm shaking in my little space boots and have nightmares of the impending fish attack:) although i like my tank and love my reef i'm not sure i'd boast of my husbandry resulting in several batches of fertile eggs:)

[St8Gr3]

LoL @ Ron... eggs are great... free fish food! :laughing9:

[Gyzpaz]

Lol....tooooo much.

[gdlyorchi]

it's done! I just got a B&W clown, it is smaller that the ocerallis, it is currently acclimating to my tank, the male ocerallis is swimming next to the bag on a very funny way, it doesn't seem aggressive toward the smaller and new B&W but just to make sure I also got the breeding net cage that will house the new clown for the next week or so, hope everything goes well! =)

[St8Gr3]

Sweet! Good luck! Just remember to be patient and cautious!

[gdlyorchi]

Sweet! Good luck! Just remember to be patient and cautious!

I am, their have show some interest on each other, I can't say what their doing right now because I'm at work, I left the black and white in the breeding net cage and after a week of two I will let him free if I feel that would be safe and also I will keep a log of how their doing =) I hope everything goes well!

[CCantlon]

Yes They only mate up with the same line. B@W OS, OS, Percs.
I breed Maroons and the biggest problem is getting them to mate up. Female should be 2.5 inches bigger when you pair them up.
I had to seperate the last pair I mated up twice and it took 3 weeks to get them to bond.

[CCantlon]

Actually I believe a family of clowns only has 1 female and 1 male. The others are neither male or female. If the female dies the next strongest Clown will turn female and doesn't nessecarily have to be the one that was male.

[CCantlon]

I have one set of Os Clowns where the female is vicious.. trys to bite me every chance she gets. and I have a pair of Black Saddlebacks that are unbelievable skittish. I can't get near them or they panic. I may have to give up on them to since they wont breed.. And yes the Maroons can be pretty mean. The bigger the tank the better they seam to be.

[rvalen]

i want some black clowns

[Tlalok]

i want some black clowns

they are awesome!!!!!!!!

[rvalen]

yup once i seen the pics of ur clowns i was sold,,,, lol

[gdlyorchi]

their are cool, my B&W and orange ocelaris are getting along pretty good


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[Tlalok]

their are cool, my B&W and orange ocelaris are getting along pretty good


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Did Urs finally starting to swim away from the return line???

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[gdlyorchi]

Did Urs finally starting to swim away from the return line???

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nop, and I Donny think their eve will, will se where their go once I get the new tank up and runing =)


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